又是酒精的疑問

酒精、NP豆都是碳源,缸中NO3降不下來就是因為碳源太多,再往裡面加碳源只會讓情況更糟。

大大應該加的是硝化菌,酒精或NP豆等NO3降到0之後再擇一使用即可
 
酒精、NP豆都是碳源,缸中NO3降不下來就是因為碳源太多,再往裡面加碳源只會讓情況更糟。

大大應該加的是硝化菌,酒精或NP豆等NO3降到0之後再擇一使用即可
您知道碳源加在魚缸的原理嗎?

另外, 請教好氧性硝化菌的最終產物是什麼?
 
您知道碳源加在魚缸的原理嗎?

另外, 請教好氧性硝化菌的最終產物是什麼?

1. (若對英文有恐懼請善用google translate)
轉貼硝化菌:
Zeobak
This is a bacteria source that is used to colonize the zeolites, live rock and/or sand beds which help reduce nutrients. The biggest difference in my option about other carbon sourced systems such as a vodka or vodka/sugar/vinegar (VSV) is that they do not incorporate a bacteria source. It has been theorized that running a system that is totally reliant on ones own tank to produce the necessary bacteria can result in one bacteria completing against another bacteria. This competition can result in a mono-culture of bacteria which does not remove nutrients at all.

轉貼碳源:
ZeoStart
This is the carbon source; it smells like an Easter egg coloring kit (vinegar). I am sure it is some mixture of vinegar, sugar and/or something else but not sure exactly what. Initially, this was the carbon source I used in conjunction with Prodibio BioDigest and it worked very well.

ZeoStart helps in the reproduction of nitrifying bacteria which basically ‘eats’ phosphate and nitrate. Zeostart works in conjunction with zeobak (the food for the bacteria) and zeobak works in conjunction with the zeolites.

2. NO3

就我所知市面上還沒有宣稱分開販售好氧及厭氧硝化菌的產品,如果有的話還請大大不吝告知。
 
自從倒缸過後.NO3到現在都過100 mg?L使用豆豆跟酒精還有每星期換水40公升的水都壓不下來.是因為柏林系統厭氧區少的關係嗎..未擴缸前適用厚沙系統使用酒精NO3都小於12.5 有人能給意見嗎謝謝

有用NP豆豆 NO3跟PO4 應該都可以維持一定的水準
我一開始用豆豆劑量1:0.5 使用一個月 效果不彰
之後每個禮拜增加50ML 最後用到1:2 NO3=0 PO4小於0.1 (SERA試劑)
沒用酒精 也沒加其它東西 給您參考一下
 
1. (若對英文有恐懼請善用google translate)
轉貼硝化菌:
Zeobak
This is a bacteria source that is used to colonize the zeolites, live rock and/or sand beds which help reduce nutrients. The biggest difference in my option about other carbon sourced systems such as a vodka or vodka/sugar/vinegar (VSV) is that they do not incorporate a bacteria source. It has been theorized that running a system that is totally reliant on ones own tank to produce the necessary bacteria can result in one bacteria completing against another bacteria. This competition can result in a mono-culture of bacteria which does not remove nutrients at all.

轉貼碳源:
ZeoStart
This is the carbon source; it smells like an Easter egg coloring kit (vinegar). I am sure it is some mixture of vinegar, sugar and/or something else but not sure exactly what. Initially, this was the carbon source I used in conjunction with Prodibio BioDigest and it worked very well.

ZeoStart helps in the reproduction of nitrifying bacteria which basically ‘eats’ phosphate and nitrate. Zeostart works in conjunction with zeobak (the food for the bacteria) and zeobak works in conjunction with the zeolites.

2. NO3

就我所知市面上還沒有宣稱分開販售好氧及厭氧硝化菌的產品,如果有的話還請大大不吝告知。
你這段應該是取自某人自己的觀察, 而並非瞭解碳源的功用. 建議您再做功課, Just type in "Vodka Reef Tank" in the googles, this should yield enough threads on it.

簡單的說, Organic carbon source is a limiting nutrient in normal reef environment. When you supply it (in form of Alchohol, Vodka, Sugar, or vinegar), heterotrophic bacteria (異營菌) will soon take advantage of the organic carbon. The main purpose of administering organic carbon to your tank is actually taking advantage of the rapid growth of bactria. When bacteria grow, it will also need nitrogen source (Ammonia, or nitrate) as well as phosphorous component (calcium phosphate, phosphate, or other phosphate compounds) as the make up of their cell structure. Which means as bacteria grow, your nitrate and phosphate will reduce in time. The bacteria can later be exported out of the system via skimmer or mechanical filtration.

所以你說缸中NO3降不下來就是因為碳源太多, 這個statement是不成立的

您又建議降NO3應該要加硝化菌. 但您如果仔細讀樓主的文章, 可以發現他現在是用Berlin System. 柏林系統本來就沒有沙層, 仙姑且不去討論沙層裡的厭氧菌能起到多少降NO3的作用, 就算是活石本身深層的孔縫也難有什麼降低NO3的效用. 要真的有, 那也不會一堆養SPS的人還需要添加碳源來控制NO3, PO4.

大多數的市售硝化菌都是針對好氧性的硝化菌, 而好氧性的最終產物是NO3. 因此您的建議添加硝化菌對樓主要降低NO3是沒有多大的幫助的

如果您需要, 也請善用google翻譯

To help you understand more on carbon dosing, you can read this article, which is much better than someone's reef journal:
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php
 
有用NP豆豆 NO3跟PO4 應該都可以維持一定的水準
我一開始用豆豆劑量1:0.5 使用一個月 效果不彰
之後每個禮拜增加50ML 最後用到1:2 NO3=0 PO4小於0.1 (SERA試劑)
沒用酒精 也沒加其它東西 給您參考一下
嗯嗯.我會慢慢的加豆豆的量..請問你總水多少加到多少量的豆豆才有控制好NO3
 
碳源也別加過量阿....
豆豆 酒精都是...
過量會倒缸的..
 
就我所認知的, 如HIPPO兄說的一樣, 碳源的用意在於培養其他種的細菌
成長必然要的就是蛋白質, 所以會用到N跟P (回想一下高中生物吧)
這些細菌必然也會死.. 所以要有蛋白把他們的屍體打出來....
沒有打出來的話還是變汙染源甚至更慘... :em06:

像我的缸子... 太小塞不下蛋白... 就放棄NP豆跟酒精
 
我曾玩過兩缸有加碳源的
一缸是 15公分的三層式厚活砂系統
另一缸是 柏林系統(有撲1CM的薄砂)
這兩缸都有加過碳源
砂糖、伏特加、蜂蜜、黑醋、MB7、RBF
都有使用過

碳源的重點

1.要每天刮除缸壁(包含底缸)
因膠羽會大量附著
這一定要確實移除
否則膠羽大量死亡會造成更嚴重的二次污染

2.要每天換洗白棉/濾袋/絲襪
也是為了移除膠羽
理由同1

3.蛋白機一定要有
我個人是覺得仰賴蛋白移除膠羽
那蛋白可能要大BK以上的等級才能達到所需的效能 XD
一般蛋白對於大駝的膠羽很無力
靠白棉/絲襪比較實在
但是蛋白仍不可缺
除了靠泡沫黏住較小的漂浮膠羽不讓他繼續擴散在缸內以外
還有補充氧氣的功用
加碳源的水體會很缺氧

4.過程中仍需持續正常的換水
因無法得知每個缸中不同種類的菌種增生所帶來的代謝污染是什麼
有些會有大影響
所以持續換水仍是必須的

5.抽底砂系統/簡易抽系統(強迫水流經過粗砂/大量濾材的版本)
則不建議使用碳源
因為很容易卡住膠羽在缸中導致無法移除
這種缸子初下碳源時 NO3會下降
但是過沒幾天又會飆高
反覆越多次會越飆越高 XD
就是因為卡住的膠羽大量死亡造成二次污染的結果

6.缸中仍需有厭氧環境協助碳源大法
如:大顆活石內部、厚砂系統、厚活砂系統...等等
會讓碳源法運作的更徹底更有效率
完全沒有厭氧環境的缸子
使用碳源的效果會很不明顯

一般市售的硝化菌
就如同河馬大所述
多半都是好氧菌
而好氧菌的硝化作用最終產物就是NO3
所以要靠添加好氧菌來降低NO3
就我的認知應該幾乎是不可能

而部分商品標榜有添加厭氧菌
這個我非專業人士所以無法判定真假
但是如果缸中沒厭氧環境
那麼加了也是白加
反而死亡後又再次污染
 
我加酒精PO4會降到0.00(有用少量吸附劑)
NO3有另外增加厭氧槽做處裡....
 
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